• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    The old one is no longer relevant. … They didn’t kill them because they were Jews. It was because they were Israelis.

    Tell me, what percentage of Israel is Jews? And do you really think the antisemitic attitude has completely dissolved among Hamas?

    Hezbolllah is more than capable of hitting Israeli targets. They’ve been pounding Haifa and even almost assassinated Netanyahu as well.

    The surrounding nations have failed numerous times to extinguish Israel, going four-to-one against them and still losing. Not to mention their continued assaults on the country since. If they could wipe out Israel, they would have.

    My opinion can be of both. A lot of the world thinks this way.

    People don’t say “you don’t get a right to complain about X” unless they think the victim deserved it. Rape apologists are well known for this.

    Nowhere in the article does it mention holding civilians by force.

    We now have two sources corroborating the same phenomenon: the authorities not wanting Gazans to evacuate. The “American government propaganda” article has actual evidence backing it.

    And yes, Hamas is going to be among civilians. They are Palestinians, and they are in one of the most densely populated areas by the force of Israel in what people have called the “largest open air prison.”

    Does that justify using civilian garb, vehicles, and infrastructure to avoid getting attacked? Or alternately, using the whole Gaza Strip as a human shield while killing Israelis?

    Because you’re using it to justify genocide. The article didn’t say evacuated. It said vacant.

    The building was vacant because it was evacuated. You’ve been truthful in other areas, why not here? The article states this, and no, them not being rockets doesn’t mean they also weren’t withdrawn:

    As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises

    Anyway…

    I explained what was debunked and what wasn’t. Stop bringing this shit up.

    The only other people I’ve seen who go “this atrocity wasn’t actually as bad as people say it is” are people who support it in some way. It’s a slope towards justifying the whole thing. See Holocaust and Holodomor deniers. You’ll forgive me for seeing a similar pattern here.

    My point is simple: Israel has a right to defend itself. When they’re provoked, they can retaliate. Killing more women and children intentionally is horrible, obviously. But if nothing is done, then the attacks will continue, increasing in severity. If you didn’t want to argue over “minute points,” you shouldn’t have sent me 31 links and told me to read all of them. If you don’t want to talk anymore, that’s fine. Just as I’ve come away learning more about Israel’s crimes, I hope you come away from this better understanding Hamas’s actions. “They don’t get to complain about it” isn’t the stance someone takes on 1,200 people getting raped and killed without thinking it was justified.

    • Sundial@lemm.ee
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      17 days ago

      Ok buddy go continue supporting and justifying a genocide. I’m done explaining myself to you and I’m sick and tired of you putting words in my mouth. You’re not interested in discussing or arguing in good faith. You just want a genocidal ethno-colony be justified in its genocidal actions.