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    Do you know nothing about Project 2025? It will cause more genocide. Genocide in your country.

    Do you want to see Latinos carted away and queer kids committing suicide after being forced into “conversion therapy?” Because that’s exactly what Trump will bring.

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      I won’t support genocide in another country to spare myself from potential harm, no, that would be morally bankrupt.

      I don’t vote based on fear. I can’t be threatened in that way.

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        Yourself? This isn’t about you.

        How about all the other people? Millions of people. Fuck them? Because she’s just having a meeting with the perpetrator of a different genocide on the other side of the planet? A genocide that Trump will also perpetuate and has already said he would make worse?

        So essentially your refusal to “support genocide” in another country will make that genocide worse and add more genocide to the mix.

        But hey, this is all about sparing you from potential harm, right? Fuck all those illegals and homos.

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          You dismiss the idea that the humanity of Palestinians is equal to your own. Its ok for them to die under the bombs and weapons we supply to Israel, as long as it allows us to avoid our own domestic discomfort. We differ on this fact.

          I’m part of the groups that will probably be most immediately effected by a Trump admin. That fear will not push me to support a genocide.

          If the American system is broken and corrupted then we as Americans should be facing and reconciling those problems ourselves, not transferring our own potential discomfort and suffering overseas to kids that are out of sight and out of mind.

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            For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

            It’s about millions of other people. People whose lives you apparently don’t care about. I guess they’re too brown or too queer to be part of that whole ‘humanity being equal’ thing.

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              For fuck’s sake, it’s also not about me.

              Yes, it is. It’s cowardice and self-interest. You’re not going to be able to flip this.

              You can’t on one hand claim you care about the hypothetical suffering millions while arguing for ignoring a very real on-going genocide funded by your representatives.

              “Just let Democrats get away with funding the slaughter of Gazans as long as we can skirt around the consequences of our corrupt politics here.”

              Maybe this will help; imagine the Gazans are white Americans. Ignore that they’re brown and live behind some imaginary line “somewhere else” in the world and instead pretend you see them as equal to you.

              When you take the perspective that they’re just as human and deserving of life as any of the other domestic groups you’re talking about, you realize that Biden is, at this very moment, doing a “Project 2025” of his own. It’s just against human beings who happen to be 7,000 miles away instead of closer to you.

              If Harris chooses to continue Bidens policy on this, I can’t vote for her, exactly the same as I can’t vote for Trump or Biden or any other zionist.

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                Do explain to me how it’s self-interest when I am cishet and white.

                And again- the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump. You just obviously don’t care about that. And if you don’t feel like voting for either of them, just stay home and don’t vote. Why waste your time or energy?

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                  the “real ongoing genocide” will be made worse by Trump.

                  Why are you putting this in quotes? It’s an on-going genocide.

                  And there’s nothing Trump can do to make what’s hapoening in Gaza any worse. Israel is doing exactly as they please. There us no more room to push the needle. The fact that you think there’s room for “worse” makes me think you don’t actually understand what’s happening there.

                  Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything, because it’s a full-blown genocide already and the only thing Israel needs to continue it is what we’ve bern giving them.

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                    I put it in quotes because I was quoting you. That is why those are called quotation marks.

                    Again, I am cishet and white, so how is this self-interest?

                    Also…

                    Even if Trump sent troops to help with the killing it wouldn’t do anything

                    What the fuck.