• GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
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    The USSR’s treatment of eastern Europe was characterized by a net outflow of resources from the USSR to the Warsaw Pact, and within the USSR from the RFSFR to the other SSRs. In fact, a large part of the dissolution of the USSR was that Russian nationalists didn’t want to share that wealth. This was very, very different from capitalist imperialism in which wealth is extracted from the periphery.

    Once again, I ask you what libertarian socialists have ever achieved. Have they ever acted as a geopolitical counterbalance to the US? Did they beat the nazis? Did they ever raise the literacy rates and raise the workers and peasants out of poverty? No, because they’ve only ever controlled a small region within one country during a civil war, and usually ended up losing. Come back to me with some concrete achievements, otherwise you’re just a useful idiot for imperialism.

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      Did they ever raise the literacy rates and raise the workers and peasants out of poverty?

      Litterally yes, not just in Spain, but also in Korea & Ukraine then the MLs betrayed them and gave the farms back to the owners, because authoritarian “socialism” only exists to replace capitalist oppression with state regulated capitalist oppression, because it’s more paletable to the capitalist class, that’s why they’re happy to collaborate with them, to put down any sort of independent worker movement.

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        10 hours ago

        anarchism and ML are opposing ideology. Why anarchist need support of ML states to survive?

        ML state literally won biggest war of human history, built a country from ground up that rivaled and stalled most powerful countries in history, made humongous gains in human development like literacy, life expectancy, women rights, science, tech, literature, sports and much more for the while it existed.

        Anarchist should do their own work (even tho I know anarchism is a moralist ideology not scientific so it wont work and wont change lives of people).

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          Lol, it’s kind of sad that MLs, cling to the glory of developmentalism that came from overthrowing fuedal regimes (which pretty much any regime that overthrows fuedalism sees), instead of actually improving worker power in the decades during which the authoritarian regimes you simp for actually existed.

          ML state literally won biggest war of human history

          A war that would have been much quicker if the MLs hadn’t killed all their best generals and failed to invade Finland 🤣 or if Stalin wasn’t buddies with Hitler because it allowed the USSR to invade Poland.

          And also a war that wouldn’t have been won without enormous help from peaky liberals.

          built a country from ground up that rivaled and stalled most powerful countries in history

          Yeah just pretend Russia wasn’t a great power before the US even existed because it makes the USSR look better and you wonder why everyone always laughs at MLs ridiculously twisted version of history.

          Anarchist should do their own work

          Anarchists did, only to be shot in the back by MLs, Spain, Korea, Ukraine, always the same, anarchists fight for freedom alongside so called “communists” only for the communists to turn on them before defeating the racists.

          not scientific

          LMFAO how many times does the immortal science of MLism have to fail to progress beyond creating authoritarian shitholes, before you scientifically conclude that it’s a failed approach?

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            49 minutes ago

            “WhICH any regime that throws feudalism sees” Yeah except 90% of the global south

            1. You dont know if it would be quicker or not, germany had been preparing for that war for decades. And Stalin wasnt buddies with Hitler, stop lying. USSR wouldve won regardless of western support.
            2. Russia was noweher close to as prosperous and as untouched by war as USA. Soviets had to face 2 imperial wars and had to industrialize twice, america however was very safe.
            3. Well I am sorry for that hope you guys learnt your lesson and treat MLs your enemy.\
            4. ML states have done alot of progress