• HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social
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    At this point… just fuck off already. Rip off the bandage and let us start working on fixing the consequences. Evacuate the bases you guys have in the EU. Just leave us alone. Do the whole isolationism thing. Please, I beg of you.

    You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of Dog, go.

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      Do the whole isolationism thing. Please, I beg of you.

      I don’t think that’s what’s Trump intends to do after leaving NATO.

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    Iran has shown that the United States needs NATO, and NATO needs the United States, more than ever. If Iranian Shaheeds and their manpeds / S300s are hitting US fighters and sneaking past defenses, who knows what more advanced or just sheer high scale weaponry could do, air superiority does not feel guaranteed.

    A near peer (Russia) conflict would be ugly on a scale not seen since WWI, a true peer (China) conflict would unleash horrors we cannot imagine. We will all need each other, as NATO is a significant deterrent factor, which could actually save the lives of millions through deterrence, or shift the balance of warfare through increase manufacturing and safe zone output.

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      Keep in mind that the US are the only NATO member that refused Ukraine’s offers of assistance, training and intelligence sharing on anti-drone warfare. The rest of us have been actively wargaming how to deal with these kinds of threats for quite some time. The US is not a litmus test for the cutting edge of NATO anymore.

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    Sadly pulling out is not something the family is known for. Imagine if his father had. Man now wouldn’t that be something.

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        I don’t think so. Don’t get me wrong, trump is 100% a symptom. But there’s no one with even close to the cult of personality. Not even Musk. Who would takeover? Couch fucker? Thiel? That ghoul Ellison?

        Nah, without trump they would have to be smarter and more competent to push their evil. And shockingly sometimes competent evil is better than stupid evil. I’d rather not see either. But that’s not a choice we get to make unfortunately.

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          anyone could be pumped up by the media over a long enough timespan, just like trump was.

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    Great. Get lost. So when you attack Greenland or Canada, article 5 can be used against the US instead of it being an internal dispute within NATO.

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    NATO is a defensive alliance. USA just showed the world it can’t even defend a 100 mile strip of water. How will it defend its allies when USA is crying it can’t do it and the allies have to take over. There isn’t much added value.

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      It’s not a carefully choreographed puppet show…

      It’s like an art exhibit where any random person can walk up and yank on strings, often in opposite directions.

      You’re assigning order to chaos, the same reason every early civilization had a “lightning god”.

      Our brains want an explanation, so we invent them to explain chaos. Even when the explanation is clearly not matching up to reality.

      Reality is a lot worse than just trump doing whatever Putin asks.

      It’s less “puppet” and more multi-player QWOP where random people each have a single button.

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        To steal a wonderful turn of phrase, Putin doesn’t pull Trump’s strings because he doesn’t have to. Getting him elected was enough. “Trump is a fire and forget idiot.”

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      The orange child rapist is an idiot… the occam’s razor is still that he is too stupid, has no clue how anything works and is simply making one foolish decision after another.

      Being this stupid, he is very easily manipulated (as is evident by now), so maybe Putin is manipulating him… but honestly, trump is simply too stupid to be anyone’s “asset”