(I’m just trying to learn. No hidden mockery in this and this is no gotcha bs aimed at t women. I’m NOT transphobic. Just saw this in a debate and wanted to know other people’s thoughts)

I just want to know:

  1. Is this factually correct?
  2. If it is, does it matter? Why or why not?
  3. How would you logically respond to this?
  4. How does this statement not contradict with Trans Women are Women
  • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    8 hours ago
    1. It depends on what you’re referring to. Sex and gender are two different things. “Biology” is unfortunately a common talking point for transphobes who inexorably link the two, so it immediately makes lots of people doubt a good-faith conversation. Transphobes like to use “biology” to try to prove that sex and gender are hard binaries. In reality, biology is all kinds of messy. But that’s an entirely different tangent. From a biological sex perspective, it would (likely) be factually correct. They have XY chromosomes, were AMAB, etc… (Not every trans woman will fit that description, because of situations like intersex people who don’t fit into nice neat little male/female checkboxes. Again, biology is messy and imprecise. But for the purpose of this conversation, I think we can agree that it is generally correct.) But again, transphobes will often try to pounce on that to falsely exclaim that you believe trans women are really men.
    2. Not really, because of the whole “gender isn’t sex” thing. Biologically speaking, they could be a half-male-crab-half-female-porcupine abomination for all I care. It still wouldn’t affect their gender, and I still wouldn’t give a fuck which restroom they used.
    3. I think I just did. Biology doesn’t determine gender. Simply make sure to cover the whole “gender isn’t sex” thing, to stave off the transphobes who think I’m agreeing with them. In reality, the best response is usually a half-hearted “yeah, so?” Because the people making statements like this usually aren’t doing so in good faith. At best, they’re sorely uneducated about sex, gender, society’s effect on the two, etc… And at worst they’re trying to bait an argument or set up some kind of gotcha moment. Sometimes the best response is to simply not take the bait, because we have better things to spend our time on.
    4. Because gender isn’t sex. Trans women are women, because genetics or hormones don’t determine your gender. Someone can simultaneously be both biologically male and identify as a woman. It’s not a zero-sum game where one negates or overrules the other, because they’re not linked.