“I genuinely believe now they [the US and Israel] didn’t have a plan. I was still hoping I was wrong, but the Shahran attack changed the way I look at this war right now,” he said. “If the regime is what you want to hit, even if you think these depots were used by the regime, where do you draw the line? What about us, the ordinary Iranians? We rely on this civil infrastructure. Why take away our ability to govern in the future? Who can rebuild utter ruins?”
Amir said he now had constant anxiety about Iran “turning into another Iraq”, a country the US invaded in 2003, promising freedom but delivering a civil war. Israeli leaders have also previously called on Palestinians in Gaza and the Lebanese people to rise up against oppression, only to later kill them in large numbers.
“My heart is so heavy,” said Amir. “I don’t even have tears left. Only anger and more anger. At this regime, and them,” he added, referring to the US and Israel.
5 years down the line, idiots in the US again: WhY dO ThEy SaY DeAtH tO AmErIcA!? ThEy HaTe OuR fReEdUmB!
Abso-fucking-lutely they will. Our people, by and large, are truly ignorant when it comes to the realities of war.
I’ve never been to war, but I did join (got discharged before I could finish my last week of boot, but that’s another story) I study war at least. Not just the logistics of it or the battles written by poets. But the actual tellings by the men and women (a lot of men) about the horrors of it.
The monsters it brings out in humans. The bloodlust that can overtake some of us. Like hell on a bike, wasn’t it Osama that like half life and counter strike? There’s a chance we played with that dude at one point… besides becoming a leader of a radical group and doing bad shit, he probably was a normal dude. But the constant war, the constant bloodshed, the constant invading forces raping your people…who the fuck wouldn’t change.
And see, I get that. I see why they hate us. I don’t hate them, I hate what they’ve become, but it’s our fault, and I don’t blame em one bit. The hardest thing is that I see how few people around here get that or understand it or even try to see it from their side. Some folks do, but for the most part, it’s like being trapped in a room with idiots who repeat what they hear each other saying.
(By around here, I mean in the states, not on lemmy, y’all are pretty okay for the most part.)
its by design. the media doesnt allow real discourse or real debates any more.
From the bits of knowledge I have, this issue started in the late 1970s when the US and UK stepped in to facilitate the removal of a locally unpopular government leader called the Shah (or something). The Iranians didn’t appreciate daddy’s “help,” feeling undignified, and were later insulted by the US then offering medical aid to the deposed Shah. The US took him in for cancer treatment, meanwhile Iranians wanted the Shah returned so that he could stand trial locally. They raided the US embassy, thinking hostages would force the USs hand.
The US uses “they held Americans for 444 days” as a kind of propaganda. Nobody asks, “well, why the fuck would they do that?” Even if someone did ask, the only culturally acceptable answer was “because Iran hates America,” or “Iran wants westerners to die,” et al.
People want sovereignty, guys… same shit that gets told about the tea party, taxation without representation, … I honestly wonder, what were the redcoats told about the Americans before they got their marching orders?
It was in the 1950s that the US facilitated the overthrow of the democratic government in Iran and installed the Shah. The people eventually revolted due to economic and religious reasons and ousted the Shah in a he late 1970s. The US was caught napping.
Is that the prisoners in the concentration camps, or the guards who rape, torture and kill them who say that?