Preliminary assessment: Supreme leader likely hurt in Israeli strike • Netanyahu says objective to end Ayatollah's regime • Trump confirms US operation in Iran, tells IRGC to lay down arms
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.
If Iran was not the country it currently is, I would condemn the attack.
Iran being the country it is, all I can say is - I doubt if this brings about any beneficial change.
There are very few examples of regimes collapsing purely due to aerial bombardment. I can recall only one example (Libya) and it had opposition in control of some cities, ready for battle with government troops (which got bombed on their way to attack the opposition)… and not much happiness resulted from it anyway.
The US and Israel bombed an elementary school and killed 40 Iranian girls are you proud of yourself?
Proud? Please explain because it seems you’re not replying to me.
I live in Estonia, that’s in North-Eastern Europe unless you know. We aren’t bombing Iran and couldn’t even if we wanted badly.
But our ally (Ukraine) is being bombed with weapons purchased from Iran and subsequent designs improved upon Iranian ones. I am also keenly aware that the Iranian regime has killed well over 10 000 of their own people to supress protests, and maybe as much as 30 000 (though I’m not convinced it’s that high, it just seems the realistic top end of the estimates). That’s a lot.
I am also aware that Donald Trump does not do humanitarian interventions, so the “current thing” is not a humanitarian intevention. It’s a boring ordinary war with one ruler (a wannabe tyrant named Donald Trump) going at another ruler (an actual tyrant named Ali Khamenei) who failed to submit to his demands. There seems to be another ruler involved, a wanted war criminal called Benjamin Netanyahu seems to be cooperating with Trump. This makes it embarrassing to look at, emphasizing that the current thing has nothing to do with international law.
A humanitarian intervention arguably could have occurred on the night when the IRGC and Basij started shooting masses of people. It did not occur.
In the best case, the “current thing” could have some side benefits to the Iranian people, but those are unlikely to become realized and could be dwarved by unpredictable harms caused.
As a result of the situation explained above, I find it impossible to say any words of support to anyone involved, only criticize them all. The word “proud” implies support. So you are extremely wrong to think I’m proud about anything happening there currently, and I don’t think others should be either.
Iran sells weapons to Russia because the West sanctioned Iran for opposing genocide.
Sanctions on Iran pre-date the genocide in Gaza by a long time.
It’s their own fault for not being born someplace good. /S
I wonder which countries played roles in it becoming like that. This would be what the 4th time Israel and USA have done/attempted regime change?
I know the history. It’s bitter.
70 years ago, Iran had extremely poor relations between government and parliament, but could have come through of that period without the UK + US organized coup.
The Shah could have been influenced and moderated, but nobody gave a damn.
The Islamic revolution was not the only possible outcome of the revolution to oust the Shah, but it was allowed to go that way. Nobody gave a damn.
The Iraq-Iran war could have been prevented. As it happened, it gave the ayatollahs legitimacy. They could claim to represent Iran as they were actually defending against an Iraqi invasion.
So, one act of malicious interference by the UK + US, several acts of the international community (note: of that time, with peculiarities of that time) not having any damns to give, and one act of malicious interference by the dictator of Iraq. And the various strikes and assassinations by Israel.