Members of Kibbutz Hanita are suing the Chinese-controlled Ballet Vision fund for refusing to buy their remaining stake in an intraocular lens plant, citing losses and what it says is a Chinese government ban on new investments in Israel since the war
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.
OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government?
Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?
It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.
Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.
In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.
I’ve actually seen them myself so convincing me otherwise will be a tall order.
You’d be better off trying to argue that elections in China are less fair than they are here. That’s feasible but your argument would need to address a whole host of systemic electoral problems in the US.
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Amerikkka and China are both bad
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Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
Flawed argument:
Should I read your evasive answer as an indiction that you’re opinions are based on something other than evidence?
You watched porn in China without a VPN, so the US has blown way past China for human rights violations?
The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.
OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government? Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?
It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.
Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.
In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.
So you do have evidence. Excellent. Can we see it?
Wait, so you think they do have elections in China? And I’m supposed to prove to you that they don’t? How should I go about satisfying you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China
I’ve actually seen them myself so convincing me otherwise will be a tall order. You’d be better off trying to argue that elections in China are less fair than they are here. That’s feasible but your argument would need to address a whole host of systemic electoral problems in the US.