In Denmark, as a citizen, you get an official secure email sort of thing attached to you NemID, called “eboks”.
NemID is a central account in the Danish registry that holds all your personal information, such as medical conditions, home address, bank accounts…
You are required to have an app on your smartphone called “MitID” which you use for logging into services related to your NemID.
Your NemID is being secured by a security company the Danish government hired called Nets. Security and encryption is handled by them, and the government and related elements will only send mail to your eboks, which requires you to log in with MitID.
They’re trying to implement something like this in the UK but they haven’t been able to explain how they plan to accommodate people that don’t have smartphones. Because they exist and need to be accommodated for.
Well, here in Denmark you can get a NemKey device. But that’s only given to old people in care homes.
The other method would be doing everything by in-person appointments, which need to be booked weeks in advance and usually requires you to answer a list of security questions each time.
Essentially very annoying to do if you don’t have a smartphone, especially if you want to do something simple and quick. Like transferring money from your bank (logging into your bank account requires NemID), buying something online (verification done through NemID), transferring medical documents to a new doctor and/or changing home address (NemID log-in at the civil registry).
These are all things that can be done within seconds or minutes with your smartphone, but will take weeks (counting the time you have to wait for an appointment) if you want to do it “the old fashion way”.
In other words, here in Denmark the expectation is that you have a smartphone. Loads of services are now smartphone dependent, like taking public transport (tickets and check-in cards are slowly being phased out).
An issue that is, at least anecdotally, rare to encounter. And generally easily rectified if it does happen. I would never give up my right to privacy for such a false sense of safety.
As I said in another comment; Danes have a comparatively high trust in their government and the systems that are set up in the country. So if it’s assured that this way is more private and secure than alternatives, then that’s generally what’s believed.
It’s only a dystopia if there comes a massive right wing shift in Denmark, like is happening with our neighbours in Germany.
However, I do recognise how easily these systems can be used for ulterior motives. What’s furthermore distressing is that Denmark is a huge supporter of chat control and has taken the lead in creating drafts to propose to the EU.
Well, here in Denmark you can get a NemKey device. But that’s only given to old people in care homes.
Negative, you can get a device if you want to. Even if you already have an active MitID app.
In other words, here in Denmark the expectation is that you have a smartphone. Loads of services are now smartphone dependent, like taking public transport (tickets and check-in cards are slowly being phased out).
Again here you can use an NFC card, but the company behind the common app system really rather you didn’t. So much so that they’ve occasionally taken out half the card readers on the platforms, by putting an advert for the app on them.
Please don’t be like Denmark. This sucks. Rooting your phone, to get rid of privacy invading bloatware, makes your phone insecure, and you can’t use it for money transfers or ID verification.
I’m trying not to go off on a rant here, but please don’t be like Denmark.
Negative, you can get a device if you want to. Even if you already have an active MitID app.
Tried getting one in Bispebjerg Kommun and they refused me. I had a smartphone. I told them that a security update bricked my phone’s security. I was told to simply buy a new phone.
So much so that they’ve occasionally taken out half the card readers on the platforms, by putting an advert for the app on them.
Last year lived with an Indian roommate who worked for DSB. Their big push for 2030 is to automate everything through smartphone tracking with the DSB app and facial recognition on train cameras. Their idea is that you won’t need to manually check in or out anymore.
They’ve already made several deals with Microsoft and Amazon for AI datacentre use, and the removal of card readers and the automated check-out option you can turn on in the DSB app are the first steps.
Tried getting one in Bispebjerg Kommun and they refused me. I had a smartphone. I told them that a security update bricked my phone’s security. I was told to simply buy a new phone.
First off, that’s just wrong of them. I don’t know, but I think you could file a complaint with indenrigsministeriet, and if they tell you to take a hike then Folketingets Ombudsmand.
I see so the solution to the very real problem is to pretend that it doesn’t exist and to penalise people. Great.
I’m going to say that I don’t want this. Sure 99% of people have smartphones but I don’t think it’s worth alienating the 1% that don’t so that it’s mildly more convenient for everyone else.
I can already transfer money from one bank account to another without having to involve the government I don’t see the benefit in changing that.
I can already transfer money from one bank account to another without having to involve the government I don’t see the benefit in changing that.
This argument is strongly dependant on what country you’re in and what government you’re under. However, generally speaking, Danes have a pretty high trust in their government (compared to many other countries).
Have they quantified the savings on this program? I was thinking about it the other day. I get mostly spam mail, but a lot of my family and friends still write letters. Was this a popular policy?
I’ve only heard people complain about it when it didn’t work, which is rarely.
I returned to Denmark 11 years ago, and they had already implemented the whole NemID system. The only thing that changed is you now need an app instead of a card covered in tiny, hard to read numbers.
So, memery aside, do y’all have your official digital postbox/email, a personal email, a work email, etc. or do you just use the one?
You don’t need digital postbox or emails, if no one wants to interact with you.
In Denmark, as a citizen, you get an official secure email sort of thing attached to you NemID, called “eboks”.
NemID is a central account in the Danish registry that holds all your personal information, such as medical conditions, home address, bank accounts…
You are required to have an app on your smartphone called “MitID” which you use for logging into services related to your NemID.
Your NemID is being secured by a security company the Danish government hired called Nets. Security and encryption is handled by them, and the government and related elements will only send mail to your eboks, which requires you to log in with MitID.
They’re trying to implement something like this in the UK but they haven’t been able to explain how they plan to accommodate people that don’t have smartphones. Because they exist and need to be accommodated for.
Well, here in Denmark you can get a NemKey device. But that’s only given to old people in care homes.
The other method would be doing everything by in-person appointments, which need to be booked weeks in advance and usually requires you to answer a list of security questions each time.
Essentially very annoying to do if you don’t have a smartphone, especially if you want to do something simple and quick. Like transferring money from your bank (logging into your bank account requires NemID), buying something online (verification done through NemID), transferring medical documents to a new doctor and/or changing home address (NemID log-in at the civil registry).
These are all things that can be done within seconds or minutes with your smartphone, but will take weeks (counting the time you have to wait for an appointment) if you want to do it “the old fashion way”.
In other words, here in Denmark the expectation is that you have a smartphone. Loads of services are now smartphone dependent, like taking public transport (tickets and check-in cards are slowly being phased out).
Geez. That all sounds awful. I’m glad we aren’t to that point in my country. Having to provide an ID anytime you buy shit online is so dystopic.
Well, on the flip side, stealing a credit card and using it online is a lot more difficult.
An issue that is, at least anecdotally, rare to encounter. And generally easily rectified if it does happen. I would never give up my right to privacy for such a false sense of safety.
As I said in another comment; Danes have a comparatively high trust in their government and the systems that are set up in the country. So if it’s assured that this way is more private and secure than alternatives, then that’s generally what’s believed.
That seems a very naïve approach to any system that has real-world power telling you what you can and can’t do.
A boring dystopia 🤮
It’s only a dystopia if there comes a massive right wing shift in Denmark, like is happening with our neighbours in Germany.
However, I do recognise how easily these systems can be used for ulterior motives. What’s furthermore distressing is that Denmark is a huge supporter of chat control and has taken the lead in creating drafts to propose to the EU.
For now, NemID is a convenience.
For now.
Negative, you can get a device if you want to. Even if you already have an active MitID app.
Again here you can use an NFC card, but the company behind the common app system really rather you didn’t. So much so that they’ve occasionally taken out half the card readers on the platforms, by putting an advert for the app on them.
Please don’t be like Denmark. This sucks. Rooting your phone, to get rid of privacy invading bloatware, makes your phone insecure, and you can’t use it for money transfers or ID verification.
I’m trying not to go off on a rant here, but please don’t be like Denmark.
Tried getting one in Bispebjerg Kommun and they refused me. I had a smartphone. I told them that a security update bricked my phone’s security. I was told to simply buy a new phone.
Last year lived with an Indian roommate who worked for DSB. Their big push for 2030 is to automate everything through smartphone tracking with the DSB app and facial recognition on train cameras. Their idea is that you won’t need to manually check in or out anymore.
They’ve already made several deals with Microsoft and Amazon for AI datacentre use, and the removal of card readers and the automated check-out option you can turn on in the DSB app are the first steps.
First off, that’s just wrong of them. I don’t know, but I think you could file a complaint with indenrigsministeriet, and if they tell you to take a hike then Folketingets Ombudsmand.
But more importantly, you can circumvent the local yahoos and order it online instead. https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/how-to-use-mitid/mitid-code-display/#order you will need a valid passport though.
Yeah, I figured it was probably just rude bullshit. But I didn’t know where to take it from there. But good to know.
I see so the solution to the very real problem is to pretend that it doesn’t exist and to penalise people. Great.
I’m going to say that I don’t want this. Sure 99% of people have smartphones but I don’t think it’s worth alienating the 1% that don’t so that it’s mildly more convenient for everyone else.
I can already transfer money from one bank account to another without having to involve the government I don’t see the benefit in changing that.
This argument is strongly dependant on what country you’re in and what government you’re under. However, generally speaking, Danes have a pretty high trust in their government (compared to many other countries).
Have they quantified the savings on this program? I was thinking about it the other day. I get mostly spam mail, but a lot of my family and friends still write letters. Was this a popular policy?
I’ve only heard people complain about it when it didn’t work, which is rarely.
I returned to Denmark 11 years ago, and they had already implemented the whole NemID system. The only thing that changed is you now need an app instead of a card covered in tiny, hard to read numbers.